Next time you are in MySource, take a good hard look at the organizational chart at BNY Mellon. You see all the VP's then the senior management, then the middle management, then finally you get to the bottom of the chart where you see all the actual team members. Have you ever stopped to watch what really goes on day to day at BNY Mellon? No matter who you look at, that person is always managing the person ABOVE them, not below them. How much time does your manager spend with you versus with his/her manager? Do you manage people below you? Do you spend more time with them or with the manager above you? See what I mean? This is why things are so dysfunctional at BNY Mellon. Its all backwards. Everyone is constantly worried about the person above them instead of the team below them. It is constant paranoia for fear of loosing your job. This is why nothing gets done.
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I totally understand the OP's feelings. Let me give you one manager's story so that you will know they are all not managing up. Between CAB calls and other "manager" meetings, I probably spend 50% or more of my time in some meeting or other, yetI am still here for my team. I have a small team that I protect fervently. We have a group chat that stays open all day where we all check in, help each other, etc. I work 10+ hour days just to get everything in. My manager, however, does manage up and I feel it is my job to protect my staff from the arbitrary missives that come down to me. You're right in that all the experienced staff has left due to this new regime, and believe me, I am looking, too. I used to be so proud to work here, but now it's too toxic to stay.
TLs are half decent, half a joke. Their managers, a joke....their manager, a deceptive, manipulative, vindictive fake person who shouldn't be managing people. When they take your staff away because you're a terrible manager, they shouldn't keep you as a project manager
Dunno which org chart @OP+19wbneXf is looking at. At first I thought that OP was reading bottom to top then realized dyslexic OP was jumping up and down randomly.
Exactly, @4qns. And management also needs feedback from the trenches to determine much of the high level plan. That's not managing your manager.
@3viu+19wbneXf is right, your manager will tell you to do what's right and to do what's asked. that's the high level plan they have. what they forget is to give resource, proper training, coach and help you when needed, set proper goals, define a vision and strategy, understand the issues, how how to navigate. they basically forget to be a manager and leader. some exceptions exist (mostly people who have been there for long time and somehow still care).
@3viu+19wbneXf ... thanks for 'enlightening' us. These managers' idea of a high level plan is deciding what to have for lunch.
You think it's your manager's job to do things for you??? That's backwards. A manager is supposed to have a high level plan and assign their employees tasks to get it done. You are supposed to work out the details and figure out how to do it and deliver the results.
You pretty much nailed it.
My team of 16 has an overall group manager that I've never talked to (I'm a contractor, so no review) and two team leads whom I work closely with. Pretty much everyone on our team has go through their assigned team lead if something needs escalated or addressed to the overall group manager. We don't have staff meetings and we have like ten different channels on Teams but the group manager isn't in any of them. Very odd, hands off approach that I've encountered before at an org. I've talked to the director more than the group manager..
That is why you must ensure your identity is not tied to, or dependent on where you are located on an org chart. If it is, one word: SOULSEARCH!
This Organisation doesn't consider it's workforce as it's strength. It requires Team work and People to build a Company . You are right when you said how much time does a Manager spend with you or the team . I always find my Manager giving excuses and saying things like I couldn't talk bc m busy with other meetings or managing this project . I have never seen any major project being executed . If they are so busy then what they are actually working on ? Building Rockets or going on Mars expedition.
BNY Mellon is a bank in serious decline. It's a suffering animal that's dying and needs to be put out of its misery! All the experienced employees are gone! What you have left is a bureacratic corporate embarrassment where no one knows what the hell they're doing! It's amazing to me that this place is still in business! The only way I see BNY Mellon existing beyond 2 to 5 years from now, is through a corporate takeover by a larger institution, or with BNY Mellon selling entire chucks of itself to other banks. BNY Mellon cannot exist in its current form for much longer. The clock is ticking!
I only ever met with my manager at review time. Not once did I EVER have a 1:1 with him. This is after 2-3 years of him being my manager. He knew nothing about me, professionally or personally except my name. His review of me was ....I don’t even know the right words other than just false. He was definitely one of those people who behaved as you described and had a pastime of pointing fingers. To every underling he could. To everyone who has ever had a similar manager here...I feel your pain. It’s not pleasant.
totally agreed. so many managers there are good at managing up instead of managing their team. but managing up does not help many to be laid off eventually.