Nothing further has been said about the date the unvaxxed will be fired. Everyday is a waiting game waiting for the call. I wonder what percent of BNY is vaccinated vs unvaccinated. How many people will be fired? It will work out good for the bank since they won’t be allowing unemployment benefits. This is a dream come true for them.
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This post aged like milk.
Where can i purchase a solid tinfoil hat? Just wondering......
Reading some of these comments makes my head hurt. They're nonsensical. Do you really work for our company?
The company issued a vaccination requirement. Abide the requirement or don't. Venting adnauseum does nothing. It only extends your frustration and the inevitable termination upon RTO.
I'm placing my bet that there will be very few or no terminations because, while you enjoy complaining on this site, you will indeed get the vaccine to keep your job.
Wow, who knew that we are at risk of catching a pregnancy from a coworker! Perhaps we have a new candidate for DEI Leader onboard!
“ And if a company can choose that, can they also require employees to not take maternity leave since it affects all their coworkers? “
There should be a two month warning before return to office. Two doses with proof in two months required. If not satisfied it should be treated akin to an employee resignation. No severance or sub. COBRA would be available just as with any other resignation.
Just thinking of this whole right thing. I saw it compared to g-ns....in many states, the only qualification to obtain one is you can't be a felon. However, for driving you have to pass a test regardless. So even if u obey all laws etc doesn't mean you can drive. You have to pass a test. To me that is not a right since you can be an upstanding citizen and obey all laws but if u can't pass the driving test you can't drive. Sounds more like a privilege if you look at it in that way. I am a g-n owner and would never compare driving to my 2nd amendment right. I didn't have to take a test enjoy this, just couldn't be a criminal.
Follow along, @acbt.
They take away your freedom if you commit crimes.
They take away your g-ns if you commit crimes.
They take away your kids if you commit crimes.
They take away your freedom if you commit crimes.
They take away your speech if you commit crimes.
They take away your life if you commit crimes.
Why do you think the definition of a right includes that it can't be taken away???
If driving is a right, why can the state take that right away? For driving recklessly, for driving while impaired ? It’s not a right, since you need to meet qualifications to do it. It’s certainly obtainable. Same with g-ns.
Can blind people drive legally?
For your enlightenment, @9qwa"
AMENDMENT IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
And again, driving IS a right. And if you don't meet the qualifications or don't follow the rules it can be taken away. Just like your right to be free, own a g-n, and even live.
We have the party of dictators back in power. Why would you expect them to follow the law? And yes, driving is not a right.
Can someone please enlighten me on the amendment that covers driving? Lol. I will say that the only intelligent thing i heard from the OP was about child leave. Im all for people having time with their kids etc but its a joke that anyone can claim to be the primary caregiver and take 4 months off. That does affect the rest of the team since they gutted the place and we are at bare bones for coverage already. I have seen this happen 4 times this summer already where the rest of the teams can't take off any days in the summer because they all had someone bang out for 4 months and there isnt enough coverage. I also know none of these people were primary as they are all the bread winners of their families.... this like getting vaxed are policies the company has that we have to deal with or find a new job.
People seem to think that their rights to acquire and share an infectious disease trumps other people’s health rights and an employer’s policy to protect them in the workplace.
It doesn’t. Get vaxed mo--ns.
Then there are zero rights, @8tkx.
Freedom? Nope, they'll lock you up if you commit crimes.
Free speech? Nope, try yelling fire in a movie theater.
Freedom of the press? Most people don't have any press.
Raising a family? Try doing that from prison.
So quit regurgitating nonsense that some nincompoop told you. Your have the RIGHT to driver provided you follow the rules. Just like the rights listed above.
@8nbg, clearly you are confused between the definition of rights and privilege.
A right is something that cannot be legally denied, such as the rights to free speech, press, religion, and raising a family. A privilege is something that can be given and taken away and is considered to be a special advantage or opportunity that is available only to certain people.
Driving is considered a privilege.
Here is a good article with examples that explain it further. http://www.therepublic.com/2020/01/30/theres_a_difference_between_a_right_and_a_privilege/
@8yv,
so if it's the company's right, why are the dictators forcing companies to require the vaccine? And if a company can choose that, can they also require employees to not take maternity leave since it affects all their coworkers? And can they require flu shots
@7ino,
despite what simpletons will tell you, driving is a RIGHT. Just like the right to bear arms and basic freedom, you need to meet certain criteria and follow the rules or you lose that right.
People do have the right to make their own medical decisions, no doubt about it. But employers have the right to require employees to be vaccinated in order to work, particularly in the office. Employment at BNYM is at will… either you or the bank can terminate it at any time. There should be no expectation of Sub or WFH for unvaccinated employees unless there are clear medical reasons for not taking the vaccine.
@7afk, when your rights affect others, it's no longer a decision only your can make. BTW, driving is a privilege, not a right. If you drive reckless, you lose the privilege. If your decide not to follow RTO guidelines, which may include vaccinations and mask wearing, the company will fire you. From their perspective, there's more risk in being sued for unsafe working conditions (not following medical guidelines) than there is in losing you as an employee. They have to do what's right for the whole, not just what you want. Personally, I enjoy working from home but if getting vaccinated helps us get back to normal (whatever that is), I'm ok with it, as is the majority that have gotten the vaccine. But getting the vaccine isn't a 100% guarantee for immunity and for those of us with children that cannot get vaccinated, we don't want to be a carrier to infect them. Social distancing inside the office is impossible. Desks are too close and there isn't enough square footage for all of us to come back into the office and maintain social distancing. So vaccinations are the only way a RTO plan will work and it's why the unvaccinated may be laid off if the current guidelines remain in January.
@2iht, ALL your rights affect other people. With your logic nobody should be allowed to drive cars because they might run over someone. If you are worried about getting sick YOU get vaxed and YOU wear a mask and YOU social distance.
“Our”. Ha! You think your one of them? Are you Todd? You’re probably one of these people that think you work too hard and are too valuable to the company to be let go. Keep thinking that way till it’s your turn, bud.
As soon as our attorneys say we can and not one minute sooner.
Who says the unvax’d aren’t working?
The unvaxed should be displaced immediately. NO SUB plan.
We are sick of the folks who are gaming the system.
Work or quit… you can’t fill a chair with no work anymore.
Finished the sentence for you.
Please wear your life jacket so I don’t drown as a result of your panicky arm flailing and grabbing onto my life Jack when you land in the ocean as the ship sinks.
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Perfect example of what a nation of pu----s we have become.
Man up.
Finished the sentence for you.
Please wear your life jacket so I don’t drown as a result of your panicky arm flailing and grabbing onto my life Jack when you land in the ocean as the ship sinks.
That’s just it. Someone may get vax’d only to keep their job at the bank and get ax’d at any time anyhow
Not that it matters but I was vaxxed and they "eliminated" me anyway. The grim reaper will find you either way.
Please wear your life jacket so I don’t drown.
I want proof that nobody in the office has Ge----l warts. It could spread throughout the office and my safety will be compromised
good let them get fired. they are useless in every way
Look at this from the company's perspective... if they don't require vaccinations and you get sick at work, you could sue, claiming they didn't follow medical guidelines defined by the "experts".
United Airlines is firing it's unvaccinated staff. I expect BNYM to do the same, if a RTO date is set AND the guidelines still require vaccinations in the office.
And while I recognize the rights of the "my body, my choice" supporters, if your actions cause others to get sick, it's not really only "my choice". It's the reason you smoke outside and not in the office. It's the reason your kids need MMR shots before they enter grade school. Your rights are only yours when they don't affect others.
Yes. Get your shot. It’s working so we’ll you now need 3! And to wear a mask.
& the most highly vax’d states ( NE states) are having huge surge & hospitals are supposedly overwhelmed.
Get the vax for others safety. 🙄
It’s a tricky thing to manage for the Company, for sure. It could breed a fair amount of discontent if unvaxxed employees are allowed the privilege of working from home in perpetuity, when others are made to come into office. On the other hand, safety of employees must be ensured. Get your shot, people!
Yes please!
hopefully tomorrow
With people already leaving the firm left and right, do you really think that will be implemented?
I would think there would be legal trouble if it happens before rto.