Thread regarding Mutual of America Life layoffs

Something big coming

I heard there’s very very grim news coming for us in the coming months. These aren’t just rumors, but actual planning inside the executive committee. Everyone’s best move would be to start preparing- don’t get caught off guard like the unfortunate groups that got laid off in 2024. With no pension, and no reward for longevity, why would anyone stay? I’m not.

From @mn+1jq3w5p4w, can somebody confirm this and/or provide more info?

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@68m Big news announced last week. 170 people getting canned. Indian scabs taking American jobs.

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Post ID: @1zfg+1jqcdtybk

Any updates on the very grim news coming in September ??

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Post ID: @68m+1jqcdtybk

"So, that is our response to: @19q+1jqcdtybk. You have a lot to learn and we are not as stupid as you want us to believe so stop your gaslighting."

Ha! You are even more stupid. Learn how to write during your time out of work.

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Post ID: @1b1+1jqcdtybk

Here is an oldie but a goodie Irish Limerick in honor of Mr. Moran:

"There once was a girl named Irene,
Who lived on distilled kerosene.
But she started absorbing,
A new hydrocarbon,
And since then has never benzene."

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Post ID: @1ak+1jqcdtybk

Response to: @19q+1jqcdtybk
His response was:
"Fake News, please tell me that you are one of the people that was terminated. It would make me feel so much better to know that you have nothing to do with my retirement money.

Obtaining the right to put up 287 units on that land makes it worth more money when selling it. The buyer of the land will be building on it, not MOA.
Companies discuss 5-year plans with their regulators. They do not show those plans to the public and certainly do not do so simply because some toddler throws a tantrum online.
It isn't fake news that Boca approved. See #1 above. Thus, no need to correct anything. When the sale is announced, the new buyer can explain their plans.
Companies don't reveal their investment strategy."

Lets take one at a time:

  1. Everyone knows the company filed plans to build a new office building in Boca. A developer would pay for a Mutual of America building but Mutual of America and by extension their policyholders would because as you may recall, Mutual is owned by policyholders. Also, Festog said before he left that we were plowing ahead with not only the office building but the luxury condos. All of this was filed with the City of Boca in 2023. Then after Festog left, Gutterierz said we were not going to build. Then, in January 2025, all of this development was fired up again by Mutual with the City of Boca. Why spend $5M to go through all this hassle just to raise a property valued at $25M and have it upped to $30M. It makes no logical sense to do the bidding for the developer. It doesn't stand up to logic and the Board and CEO owe policyholders an explanation.
  1. In terms of the 5 year plans, transparent companies discuss 5 year plans with their employees and policyholders. Not just with regulators. If there is nothing to hide, when is the CEO going to share the 5 year plan with employees ? Because it contains more layoffs ? A sale of several subsidiaries ? Probably but for transparency, come clean if you aint got nothing to hide.
  1. So, you've admitted that the Boca property is on the sale block. Thank you. Now, you state the developer can disclosure their plans upon purchase. Mutual has already filed those plans with the City of Boca. You know, those 287 luxury condos. Are you now stating that Mutual has misled the City of Boca and doesn't really intend to go through with the development but is artificially trying to inflate the value of the property ? This needs to be fully explained. Also, let's say the property sells for $30M, where will all the 150 employees in Boca be relocated to ? Arizona or will they all now work from home ? Or is the company going to rent out a cheap warehouse and pay $2M in rent ?
  1. Finally, the investment strategy has to be disclosed publicly in regulatory filings, disclosed to the credit rating agencies, and up until 2 years ago, it was always fully disclosed in the company Annual Report. Then, because the company was alarmed about all of the financial losses, decided to hide that information and not be transparent and include it in the annual report. Will that information be included in the annual report again.

So, that is our response to: @19q+1jqcdtybk. You have a lot to learn and we are not as stupid as you want us to believe so stop your gaslighting.

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Post ID: @1aj+1jqcdtybk

This company has lost hundreds of millions of dollars and hasn’t turned a profit in seven years. We’ve lost billions of dollars in AUM. Thousands of clients and hundreds of thousands of participants have walked away. We’ve lost our company headquarters. Every C-level executive has been fired in disgrace. There’s hundreds of millions of dollars in pending lawsuits. But REAL ESTATE deals are going to save us! Why not? We clearly can’t operate as a retirement company anymore! What an effing mess.

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Post ID: @1a5+1jqcdtybk

Fake News, please tell me that you are one of the people that was terminated. It would make me feel so much better to know that you have nothing to do with my retirement money.

  1. Obtaining the right to put up 287 units on that land makes it worth more money when selling it. The buyer of the land will be building on it, not MOA.
  1. Companies discuss 5-year plans with their regulators. They do not show those plans to the public and certainly do not do so simply because some toddler throws a tantrum online.
  1. It isn't fake news that Boca approved. See #1 above. Thus, no need to correct anything. When the sale is announced, the new buyer can explain their plans.
  1. Companies don't reveal their investment strategy.
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Post ID: @19q+1jqcdtybk

"The incredible Wizard of Greed
Retired from his business
because,
Due to up-to-date science, To most of his clients,
He wasn't the Wizard he was."

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Post ID: @16h+1jqcdtybk

This was recently posted in the Boca Online Newsites. It must be fake news !

"The Mutual of America complex, located across 11 acres at 1150 NW Broken Sound Parkway, will become home to 287 dwelling units. The apartments will span 355,055 square feet in area and would be mated to a seven-story integrated parking garage. Representatives for Mutual of America said the development would set aside 10 percent of the units for affordable housing and an additional 5 percent of units for workforce housing. The project will also include 2,000 square feet of retail space."

If DFS approved the 5 year plan, show us the 5 year plan

If Mutual doesn't plan to build in Boca, send out an email denying that Boca City Council didn't approve the development and the information on line about it is fake news ?

Finally, confirm how the $500M is being invested. Is it getting 5.25% or is it being invested in Cypto? If it is being invested, tell us what type of securities it is being "invested" in ?

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Post ID: @15v+1jqcdtybk

Friends, Romans, simpletons, lend me your ears ..."

DFS approved the Company's new 5-year plan - that is why there is no new reserve.

The money from the NY building sale is not sitting in a bank account. It has been invested.

The company is NOT building anything in Boca or any other location in the world.

I know the above to be 100% true. I can't speak to anything else the gobshite is speculating about, but he clearly has a mouth that'd make an ar-e jealous with the amount of sh--e he spews.

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Post ID: @151+1jqcdtybk

April Fools !! It's not Rome wasn't built in a day, its:

"Rome is burning" or "fiddling while Rome burns" is an idiom that means to be oblivious to or disregard a crisis while engaging in trivial or unimportant activities, often implying a lack of concern or responsibility."

NYDFS didn't require more asset adequacy reserves because they know there if $500M sitting in a bank account earning 5.15%.

Now the firm can go out and spend that $200M on the 278 luxury condos in Boca. Instead of "Drill Baby Drill." It "Build Baby Build" as Rome Burns with a $140M hole to file.

More layoffs to come. My hunch says that several subsidiaries will be sold.

All the Executives are lining up for their "golden shower" parachutes.

In closing:

(stolen from Vonnegut)

"There was a young man from Stamboul
Who soliloquized thus to his tool:
"You took all my wealth
And you ruined my health
And now you won't p-e, you old fool"

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Post ID: @11h+1jqcdtybk

If the company is not being sold or spun off (allegedly), and not going into receivership, then what is the grim news which will be announced after labor day ? The company isn't turning around. It's net outflows will be about -$1.5B this year and it's products, technology, and service continue to trail it's competitors by a wide margin. Add on top of that, that we only have a basic economy set up with FIS and don't want to pay a premium to build out the infrastructure needed. I don't know what planet you are on but your thought process is myopic. Rome wasn't built in a day, and its downfall took longer, but Mutual is between a Rock, A Hardplace, and Julies Ceaser's Ba--s.

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Post ID: @10v+1jqcdtybk

The company is not going into receivership and is not being sold. Turnarounds take time (years, not months). The current CEO has had eight months to begin to clean up prior management's mess. Patience and perseverance - "Rome wasn't build in a day."

In this short time, new management has restored the company's credibility with the NYDFS, which just decided NOT to require that the company post any additional reserves. That was huge and indicates that the company is headed in the right direction.

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Post ID: @zz+1jqcdtybk

This is only mere speculation, but of Mutual gets sold, 150 jobs will be gone day one. Most of the Field RVPs, GARs, 50% of the PARs, some CRMs. If the firm gets bought out by an advisor centric firm, this is who will be cut first. All those RVPs who just bought, refinanced, or built newer homes or bought luxury cars will be up schits creek without a paddle. Not that they worked an honest days living in many years, but they stand to get ph--ked the most, and for good reason.

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Post ID: @xd+1jqcdtybk

Company has only written $53M in group takeover business this year. What are the group sales reps doing ? Time to can 80% of them. The 80% / 20% rule in this case could save the company $4-$5M.

Cut the fat !

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Post ID: @fk+1jqcdtybk

I tell ya what. Something big came today and that was a thumping of the US stock market. Days like this gotta keep the CFO and CEO up at night. All that lost revenue. Today probably easily wiped out $1M in revenue. Mamma said there would be days like this, mamma said.

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Post ID: @fj+1jqcdtybk

They just posted this VP Job for Head of Artificial Intelligence and "data." paying over $200K ! That's bullschit. There are several people in IT who already have experience in this area. Split the role up three ways and save $200K ! This job postings seem driven by knee je-k emotional reaction to news cycles and are not really needed by The Firm. Last year, they posted a position for "Head of Discretionary Consumer Stock Picking." What in the Living Ph--k ! Haven't they ever heard of Seeking Alpha for $500 per year ! That is all run by AI and you could save $195,950 in waste, fraud, overspending, and abuse. Seems like myopic decision making without thinking this logically all the way through. Who is making these decisions ? G-o-d dam-it !

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Post ID: @ex+1jqcdtybk

What Color is Your Parachute, tenure doesn't guarantee higher pay. Most of the time at MOA it's the opposite. Hiring decisions made by Greed and Donaldson, with high-salaried, underqualified individuals, should be reviewed by Stephen Rich and Mehdi.

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Post ID: @eb+1jqcdtybk

Also take into account the new job postings with inflated salaries

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Post ID: @bk+1jqcdtybk

For every $500M of net outflows which are replaced by market gains, inflows, or premiums, that equates to about a loss of $4M in revenue which is equivalent to roughly 35 jobs. So YTD, if it had to, it could layoff 35 employees. If the natural attrition numbers state roughly already 30 people have retired this year, the natural attrition numbers break it near even. However, if the net outflows continue unabated, the company probably needs to cut 75 employees by 12/1 to stay on track with its fiscal goals.

By the way, how much is that IRA Logix scheme working out ? Worth all the headaches over $2000 account balances ?

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Post ID: @bf+1jqcdtybk

Something Big Is Coming you say ? What happens if the Big Event is a stock market collapse caused by Trumps Tarriff Tactics. In 2008, even the "too big to fail" entities failed. Lehman Bros. Maybe the big event is another black Monday which forces many companies to layoff many employees.

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Post ID: @be+1jqcdtybk

The CEO did assure the employees there would not be any more layoffs for the foreseeable future a couple of months ago I agree, but he also didn't admit or deny that Securities, LLC could be sold off or merge with another company or be taken over in a receivership situation by NYDFS either. Mutual of America Life Insurance Company has to go through Demutualization, yes, but all of the subsidiaries can be sold off and don't have to go through Demutualization. When Greed was asked about this a couple of years ago he said Mutual of America Life Insurance was not up for sale but made no mention about obtaining suitors for the other Corporations and LLCs underneath the Umbrella.

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Post ID: @bd+1jqcdtybk

The company assured employees that there would be no further layoffs for the foreseeable future, yet this seems to be yet another instance of misleading information.

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Post ID: @b9+1jqcdtybk

Oh schit ! Is DOGE moving into to 320 Park or down at Broken Sound Parkway ?

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Post ID: @ay+1jqcdtybk

I'm sure NYDFS can't be happy. Did talks with them breakdown ? Is NYDFS forcing a sale or forcing management out ? If there is any planning with this so called "Executive Committee" the only planning is how to save their own smelly A-S-S-E-S so they can maintain the cush $500K+ pay packages or how to secure their $2M-$3M golden parachutes if they are forced out or negotiating their own job security in the "new" company at the expense of everyone else who actually do the work and look their diques look long and cool. I can assure you, that is all the "real" planning going on.

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Post ID: @ax+1jqcdtybk

Where is this information coming from, just curious.

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Post ID: @aw+1jqcdtybk

The company could afford to cut about 200 more employees but that is about it. If they limit the cuts to the highest paid, longest tenured first, then if they cut 75 of these jobs it would be the equivalent of cutting 200 rank and file. My sense is that they have run the numbers and can't make the math work. Expenses outpace revenue by such a large margin that there is nothing more reasonable which can be done but to find a suitor who will take on a company and try to rehab it. If this sounds like a receivership, then call a spade a spade. If you want to term it a merger or a buy out, that is what it is too. If it is a merger or receivership then hopefully 500-700 jobs can be retained by the company (or State) buying us out. My resume is up to date

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