Thread regarding IBM layoffs

I'm a 56-year-old laid-off IT worker looking for a job. I have a hunch I'm not having luck due to ageism. How do I prove it?

Information that a number of folks may find very useful.

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-can-older-workers-prove-ageism-and-age-bias-in-hiring-2022-11

By: Rebecca Knight
Updated: Mar 27, 2023, 2:27 PM

_I'm a 56-year-old IT specialist with a solid track record and résumé, and I've been unemployed for over a year. I estimate I've applied to more than 300 jobs. I'm not sure why I'm not getting them, but I suspect ageism has something to do with it._

_In October, I was laid off from a major computer company, where I'd worked for five years, as part of a corporate realignment. Before that, I'd worked at another big tech company for 20 years._

_I apply for every job for which I'm remotely qualified. And I've had exactly 31 interviews, most with frontline recruiters. I've been a finalist for a job a few times, but it's always gone to someone else, often decades younger._

_I've lowered my expectations, and I'm still not having any luck. One company offered me a help-desk position for half the salary I was making. A recruiting coach suggested removing all dates from my résumé and hinted that I start dying my hair._

_I see my age and experience as assets, and it bothers me that companies don't. I want to call them out on their prejudice. What can I do?_

Ours is a youth-obsessed culture, and the workplace is no exception. A 2022 survey from the AARP of nearly 3,000 of its members found that roughly two-thirds of workers over the age of 50 said they believed older employees face age discrimination at work. AARP, the advocacy group, conducted the survey online and by phone.

And the current economic uncertainty, not to mention the seemingly never-ending parade of layoffs — especially in the tech industry — is most likely compounding the problem when it comes to hiring. Research indicates that after the Great Recession, which was more than a decade ago, it took older workers who were displaced about twice as long to find a new job as younger workers. What's more, older workers who were unemployed for six months or more had far worse outcomes in reemployment, including 59% who made less money than in their previous job.

To find out what you might do about it, I spoke with Ray Peeler, an associate legal counsel at the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, a federal agency that oversees enforcement of workplace-discrimination laws. He told me that when it comes to hiring discrimination, "The difficulty lies in not knowing who got selected, what differentiated that person from you, and whether or not you were more qualified for the role."

To make a claim in court under the Age Discrimination and Employment Act, which covers workers ages 40 and older, Peeler said, you first have to file a charge of discrimination with the EEOC. These charges generally have to be filed within 180 or 300 days of an incident, depending on state and local laws. Last year, the EEOC resolved roughly 13,000 age-discrimination charges filed against employers. Of those cases, only 18% were found in favor of the employee.

To prove age discrimination, you have to show that your age was the difference between being hired and not, as opposed to some other legitimate rationale.

This is not easy to demonstrate — but it's not impossible, either. Maybe the frontline recruiter showed initial enthusiasm in your application but suddenly lost interest upon finding out how old you were. Or perhaps age was a factor in the company's screening software if it required you to provide age-related information, such as your high-school graduation year, that's not immediately relevant to the job.

If, during an interview process, you have an inkling that age discrimination is playing into the hiring manager's decision-making, Peeler advised keeping contemporaneous records of your conversations and interactions with people at the company, and information on who was selected for the job. In court, if you can show evidence that your age might have played a role in your not getting hired, Peeler said, "the employer would have to then explain why they made the decision they did."

I wish you luck in your job search. It sounds as if many companies would be lucky to have someone with your experience and tenacity.

_This story was originally published on November 24, 2022._

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IT is b a joke

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Post ID: @3ght+1lQajMA8

Do companies ask you for your age? If you think it’s based on experience, wouldn’t you just be able to cut down some of your earlier perhaps irrelevant experience?

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Post ID: @2dmw+1lQajMA8

The person who gets the job is the one who had the talent to be able to sell themselves. I’m in the market for abiut 2 years now and ageism is strong. However I didn’t have clarity and confidence with what I really wanted to do. This showed up in my interviews.

I have worked with various coaches, only two mentioned the “well, you are 55+.” Meaning for me to settle for a job. There are others who are convinced it’s your interviewing skills and confidence.

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Post ID: @2hqw+1lQajMA8

I'll give the flip side of that.

For background, I'm 50 years old, and I worked for IBM for 9 years. I had my fill of that miserable company, got another job, and left. I kick myself for not having done it sooner.

Anyone who's been with IBM for any length of time can't be shocked when people get fired (do they still call it RAd?). Somehow, they see it happening all around them every quarter, but assume it won't be THEM. Until it is.

Here's the point of my story. I worked for a company that outsourced their IT operations to IBM, and that's how I went to IBM. So did everyone else in the IT department. Of course, within a year, IBM starts letting people go, including a guy who (at the time) was probably in his late 50s.

Guess what? That guy never found a job again. I'm sure he'd tell you how his age was the problem, but the REAL problem was that he had absolutely no skills. None. It's a miracle he lasted as long as he did with the original company, much less a ruthless machine like IBM.

Why am I telling this story anonymously on an IBM layoff site? Because sometimes there might be more to the story. Whenever I hear someone my age (or older) cray AGEISM! AGEISM!, I wonder if it's really true, or they just suck and no one wants to hire someone with nothing to offer.

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I'm approaching 50 and a likely target for layoffs. Been a systems engineer for most of career and haven't interviewed in a very very very long time.

I enjoy IT very much and believe there is value in all ages being represented in the field.

Technology is for everyone.

But I am aware a system engineering role doesn't mean what it used to and a lot of the work is easily punted offshore for cheaper labor.

It is time for a change. How?

  1. Discover and decide on a new role to obtain: Project management, Product management, Tech Manager, Data Analyst, Web dev, etc.
  1. Structured learning (bootcamp, part time online, full time, university courses)
  1. Build a portfolio, add substance for resume/LinkedIn as you learn
  1. Hire an HR freelancer who can modernize and tailor your resume/LinkedIn to be more current and attractive to potential employees
  1. Apply! Apply!
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Post ID: @xbw+1lQajMA8

Get out of IT all together. You did 20+ years in IT, its time for a change.
There are plenty of decent paying jobs out there in other industries.

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