#attrition

I'm shocked at how many people I talked to are looking for something better. Heck, some of them said they're not even looking to go up in pay or benefits, they are even willing to take a pay cut to get away. When did we become a place people were so desperate to leave?

I see that, at least in Europe, many talented young folks are leaving Cisco to join competition or more innovative companies in the IT sector. As there is in almost all european countries an old leadership guard who does not make space for the new generation, there is no real career development possibilities for ambitious people. It is embarrassing to see how for e.g. a public sector leader changes the role with channel leader, services sales leader, etc etc but always the same people how are for many many years already in local leadership.

This forum helped me make that decision.

Great article on the Hill about how RTO initiatives are sabotaging productivity because the office is a noisy, distracting time-su-k:
https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/5775420-remote-first-productivity-growth/

But as we all know, BB's motivation for RTO was never about productivity; he's trying to drive attrition so that he can get costs down and sell off the parts for cheap:
https://www.itpro.com/business/business-strategy/business-execs-just-said-the-quiet-part-out-loud-on-rto-mandates-a-quarter-admit-forcing-staff-back-into-the-office-was-meant-to-make-them-quit-but-this-quiet-firing-practice-could-easily-backfire

They just keep coming. There's no end to them. Another round, then another, then another. I'm so tired of it.

Marion City Schools faces a multi-million dollar budget deficit. The district plans $5.5 million to $6 million in staff reductions. Program changes are also part of the plan. Superintendent Brian Murphy hopes attrition will cover most reductions. This includes retirements or resignations.

https://www.marionstar.com/story/news/education/2026/03/13/marion-city-schools-faces-budget-deficit-and-layoffs-education-spending-staff/89136686007/

Is the current attrition rate consider normal after annual review or is the grass greener on the other side? (At this pace cpm won't be needed)

It seems that every day I'm hearing that another person left voluntarily. On top of that I'm not seeing any new names coming in for backfill, or even job postings to try and bring someone in.
It just feels like we're at the breaking point, and I dont know how to recover.

Get ready the CEO stated that UP will resubmit the merger plan with NS by April 20th. He stated there will be attrition and resignment with the workforce once the merger takes place.

If you are an active sales rep….

Type # 1 if leaving after 4/1

Type # 2 if staying after 4/1

We can easily dispatch another 30% and it will still function. There are too many coasters, old timers sitting there doing nothing. Too much dead weights. Americans are lazy.

PwC is laying off approximately 1,500 employees from its US workforce. This represents about 2% of its total US staff. The firm attributes these reductions to historically low employee attrition rates. Layoffs primarily affect the audit and tax divisions. PwC is also slowing new hiring and internship offers.

https://www.aol.com/big-four-firm-pwc-cutting-140950077.html

If you work for DXC you are right where you belong.
The good people have long ago left leaving behind groups of dead wood.
Sad part is, the dead wood are the ones that don't leave and are whining..
If you are working for this company in the US, you are on borrowed time. But if you are just hiding there, ride it out. Your next job will no doubt be a mimimum wager anyway.
Probably at Wal Mart or its equivalent
Glad to be gone after 10 years of carrying deadwood. ON ALL Levels!

Let me run through the state of things. Talented staff are quitting. The ones who stay aren't keeping up with inflation. Some are getting let go anyway. Those of us left are doing triple duty. Clients feel the drop in quality and they're letting us know. Simple requests become week long projects. And to top it off, we've got contractors who don't know what they're doing and don't care to learn. A few are good. Most aren't. This is where we are.

Everyone I talk to already has one foot out the door.

Whatever happens now, I'm at peace with it. I just don't care. My manager has been pushing me out for a year. Excluding me, giving my opportunities to others, taking credit for my ideas. I used to get upset, but now I'm just done. I've given too much to EJ to keep fighting.

We've been losing so many people for so long, especially the talented ones. If leadership came up with the perfect plan right now, we couldn't implement it. We're past the threshold. We've lost the capacity and the institutional knowledge to pull it off. That last big push was our final shot, in my opinion. And we blew it.

Tracking participants count #general Slack channel in Oracle One workspace, as the fastest available proxy indication of ongoing layoffs.

• mar01-mar07: 351 layoffs, and 43 additions (based on Slack regular tracking)
• feb01-feb28: 943 layoffs, and 1143 additions (based on Slack regular tracking)
• jan01-jan31: 1604 layoffs, and 1834 additions (based on Slack regular tracking)
• dec01-dec31: 1031 layoffs, and 844 additions (based on Slack regular tracking)
• nov01-nov30: 1614 layoffs, and 1327 additions (based on Slack regular tracking)
• oct01-oct31: 2504 layoffs, 1762 additions (based on Slack regular tracking)
• sep02-sep30: 6275 layoffs, 861 additions (based on Slack regular tracking)
• aug14-sep01: 733 layoffs (based on Slack very few data points)
• aug01-aug14: ?2900 layoffs in IDC (based on media reports)

Regions outside IDC and NA usually have a significant delay when laid off people are disconnected from Slack (e.g. 1 month in Pacific regions, perhaps longer in some EU countries), so this is a floor estimate with additions reflected immediately, but reductions lagging behind on average.

Layoff estimates are partially part of normal attrition, but the other part of normal attrition is already hidden due to additions and removals compensate each other when they happen at the same period of time.

I will post daily in comments on the count change and running current month total while this post is still on the first page.

Well between RIF and worse strategic attempts to get people to quit with case loads being unreasonable ir putting people in work plans the oregon and WA teams are about dead and gone.

DCO is a soulless id--t. CSMs are pale images of what they had been in past, all the talent and integrity leadership is gone.
At least competitors are coming in

Experienced folks are leaving the company! Lots of retirements. We better hang on to these folks so we can leverage the learnings built up over time. Mentoring new employees is another reason. AI is NOT a substitute!!

Pretty much the title. I know every group has their bad apples but seeing how many employees of other ethnicities (not even talking about white people here) have been disproportionality replaced by those from South Asian countries is absurd. Am I alone in thinking this?

I wonder what would happen if leaders at all levels in the company had their performance and bonuses solely based on how well they led their teams. Take bottom line business numbers out, feed those through individual contributors, and if you’re a leader you are solely measured on your ability to lead! Measured through TTUS (and p.s., stop asking bullsh-t questions you know aren’t targeting the truth), you measure through attrition and actual employee satisfaction surveys. Oh what a concept and how things would change, real fast

Who even believes that anymore? It's been about attrition from day one.

Nobody talks about AT&T anymore because the story's already been told. It's a long, slow decline. Smart people are leaving in droves, employees and customers alike. We've sold off everything valuable, cut every corner, and brought in expensive consultants to try to fix it. New menu, new decor, new theme, and none of it worked. This place is done.

The most toxic workshop culture I've ever seen with ill-fit incompetent management. More, More, More. Angry employees taking it out on one another. Do you think the execs know how it is down here? Horrible attrition, and still layoffs every 2 weeks. I used to be an over achiever, doesn't matter here, you'll only pick up the slack of the duds, bare minimum it is.

Between reducing OT making it virtually impossible , not enough staffing and AI taking over 😒

Heard through the grapevine people in HR have said that they expected more attrition after the 5 day RTO was announced. So from this you could infer that a major goal, if not THE goal of this was to reduce headcount. Also this means that layoffs are coming since not enough people left.

The next piece of this is that the execs have admitted that the company is becoming too reliant on contractors, and want to balance out the hiring with more full time employees. What is not mentioned is that they want to flip contractors to FTEs. Offshore hubs are being built to facilitate this along with abusing work visas.

There has also been a major push for AI recently. Which helps reduce headcount even further. Models are now reaching the point where anyone can automate tasks or have someone vibe-code a solution that is "good enough".

The end goal of this is that they want cheap offshore labor to handle AI to push out stuff that is passable. So many current FTEs are going to be displaced. This is also the end goal of an overwhelming majority of other large companies. This is not systematically sustainable. And the working class is being set up for a world of hurt.

Now convinced more than ever that the dysfunction is intentional to get you to quit. Don’t get fatigued. Make them fire you.

No offense to the people who are still here, many of them are just amazing, but in aggregate, top talent has already left Optum years ago

There’s definitely plenty of fat around here. The problem is that when cuts come, the fat somehow stays and the actual muscle that does the work gets cut. Sad but true. We’ve got so many useless managers who could be removed, but they’ll continue to stick around and siphon off resources. What a crock.

Yes, time is coming and we are about to implode with all the multiple organizational changes that add no value apart from headcount reduction and the downstreamers managing upstream like a refinery and ki-ling it long term. Expect more safety incidents, more process safety events and more blame on the employees for not following procedures (even though nobody knows what they are anymore). The attrition is rising and we are in a downward vicious circle now.

Key people keep leaving or getting shown the door all the time. Morale is in the gutter and the energy here is completely dead. You can feel it walking in every morning. Nobody trusts that things will be stable from one week to the next, not to mention month or year.

LinkedIn is blowing up with cube pics. Exxodus is back

65% of layoffs over the last 2 years have been Band 4 employees.

You have been warned.

I got the layoff call last month, last day is in May. Others on my team who are buddy-buddy with leadership got promotions at the same time. Needless to say I’m done giving this company anything more. I’m withdrawing all internal transition applications and barely going to reply to emails. For the next 2.5 months, I will swipe my card and turn around go home to apply external roles. I can’t believe how many extra hours and long nights I spent working for this company. Congrats to all promoted and good bye to all!

I'm a middle aged employee, having some financial commitments, was a high performer, have been given 4 last year. The work I am doing I'm not needed for it. Told multiple times,build another resource who may replace but I believe they are keeping me as scapegoat that any wave comes it's going to be me..I am trying outside but not getting anything suitable..still trying..but I want to understand from you all what you would have done if in my place. Everyday going to workplace is stressful and core irritating. I know everyone around me knows my rating and understand that I am the next scapegoat still I need to do my job quietly this fact is eating me. I can't stop working as my micromanager ask status everyday .. I am tired not working but mentally

Three team members were displaced a couple of weeks ago.
After bonus payout, 3 out of 4 senior team members resigned.
Made my day

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