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Never Forget => IBM's dinobabies settled age discrimination lawsuit

https://www.techmonitor.ai/leadership/workforce/ibm-dinobabies-age-discrimination-case?cf-view

The documents showed communications between two executives, in which one “applauds the use of the disparaging term ‘dinobabies’” to describe the older IBM employees as part of a “plan to oust them from IBM’s workforce”. According to the court documents, “he describes his plan to ‘accelerate change by inviting the dinobabies (new species) to leave’ and make them an ‘extinct species‘”.

Both executives, whose names and positions were redacted in the filing, have since left IBM. Other documents referred to the company’s “dated maternal workforce” and called for IBM to “shift headcount mix towards greater percent of early professional hires.”

They settled this in 2022 and yet we are seeing IBM's desire to reduce staff and pay based on age, s-x, race, skin color get WORSE after a settled lawsuit on this?! Hire with little to know experience but tell the world experienced people are no longer needed because we have AI now and everybody knows 20 somethings know AI better than the dinobabies who built their skills over decades of dedication to IBM?


It's all about the age

Removing people with seniority = removing OLDER employees. It's always the same. When they do a "reorg" with layoffs, they slice and dice the data to hide the age impact. Then they rinse and repeat every couple of years. They don't care about their "teammates." They routinely clean house of the older, more experienced and expensive workers to make the company's financials look better for "The Street" and try to improve the stock price. Most of those folks have 3 years worth of unvested restricted stock that they LOSE when they get laid off and then those shares revert to the company's coffers. They give people NO NOTICE, knowing 99% of them will sign their sh---y severance agreement waiving their right to sue because they need the money. It's horrible the way they treat people.

Good post, it should be in its own thread. The original poster is @7jc+1kd557pb0.


There is no NRE protection anymore.

i will try to be brief. I was dpced last year in nov and then told I failed the dpc and now was on a pip. The pip was very similar with a few things added. I failed dpc in dec and failed pip in feb 2026. I was 53 years old with 17 years in. I was constantly asked to leave on my own and take the pil during the dpc and pip. I was told in the beginning that exxon was trying to help me to get to retirement age. I complained to hr and of course got no help from them. If I knew i was doomed I would not have tried as hard as I did and just left. Everything I did was not good enough according to the supervisor. I was told it was not the work but that I was not a good fit for exxon anymore. I left with no medical and lump sum payout. I am getting unemployment right now and pondering on whether to retire or keep working. There are no guarantees any more so treat exxon like a year to year contract job. I would not have stayed as long and suffered if I knew this outcome. Give exxon the loyalty they give their employees none. There was another who was fired during their dpc and was nre as well. Anyway I hope this helps those in their 50's decide and I am done with exxon.


Made up job and title

I am several months into a new role that I knew from day 1 was not a real job. I was due for a move and they clearly didn’t want to waste one of the few visible jobs on me so this is what I was given. Anyone been in a similar situation? Feels inevitable that my ranking and potential will be dropping. Anything I can do about it? Advice? I am just planning to find a new job in my own outside of EM. Just the push I needed as I am in my early 40ies and quickly approaching the age where moves become more difficult due to age discrimination.


Welcome to TI

Now that you have been acquired by Texas Instruments, allow me to foreshadow what’s in store based on how the Lehi acquisition went.

66% of you are getting laid off. No one is safe. Start looking NOW!

Your leadership will tell you how great TI is. How we do not do layoffs and have great profit sharing of 20%. This is a LIE. We have quarterly layoffs and profit sharing has been severely curtailed for 2026.

Older employees will be “managed out“ to avoid illegal age discrimination. Document everything! Save every email! Do not sign any forms without consulting a labor lawyer! HR IS YOUR ENEMY!

You will be encouraged to bust your butt during the transition. Don’t. You are probably going to lose your job. Spend that energy finding a new one.


Severance Packages, DOL, and older employees

All I have heard regarding those packages were people had a 24 hour response time or it was being withdrawn. Is that true? There are also 21 - 45 day acceptance of severance packages in the US depending on your status. Are those being violated?

This company has outsourced so many jobs to India. Are they really true employees or are they Indian owned and operated with agreements to label them as employees? Is that why it takes them weeks and months to fully terminate them or the 5 managers? The US employee numbers and the high number of Indian employees are a nudge to contact whistleblower portals in the federal government to offshore employees and save money.

For the people over 40, these RIF's are considered group layoffs. It does not matter if you were terminated in groups from the same team. We you given a list of all terminated employees, their ages, title, and any other?

Has anybody contacted DOL or any other wage and labor law representatives regarding the terminations, older people, people with disabilities, offshoring to India, and anyone else?

I would have assumed there would have been audits by now as FIS is breaking up the terminations to bypass federal and public reporting by now but have not heard of any.


Younger vs Older

So Citi wants to run off the older generation but the younger generation (mine) has no desire to work in a culture like this. The younger generation’s personal time off is not something they are willing to sacrifice for the good of Citi’s profits. So who’s going to work here? The older folks are willing to work like that but not the younger people. So now what? If you’re hoping that AI will run rampant, its not there yet. More like years away. So…..who? Sure you’ll find some people who may hire on but they won’t put in the hours that Citi is keen on demanding.


Ageism Disguised as Layoffs- worst examples?

The average age of employees grades 14-17 seems to have dropped by over 10 years since 2022 at least in Sekou’s org. Clearly driven by layoffs. We’ve seen what looks like blatant examples of age discrimination. Pushing an over 50 to a unique role, replacing with a 30 something, a year later eliminating the unique role. Thats pretty common. What’s the worst example you’ve seen of age discrimination?


Will IBM ever release their layoff demographics

IBM is & always has been about laying the unprotected class off. White men 55 & older. Then white women (= ageism + s-xism). Black men (= ageism+ racism) Black women (= ageism, s-xism, racism). So what did/does IBM do to accomplish this so methodically? They bring in incompetent black women to lay off (throw away like trash) white men to really slap employees in the face. THEN they remove your entire life from your personnel file when you ask for it. It’s like a Wormwood episode. You get your sign- on paperwork & your last “bad” appraisal (to justify their laying you off) written by the DEI hire who suddenly leaves w/a promotion after you’re RA’d. Every award, best appraisal, letters of merit & commendation magically disappear. Where did they go? IBM he-l.

African Americans at IBM can do whatever they want. An ex black co-worker of mine, who still holds her job at 62yo, said to me “if they ever try & lay me off, I’ll sue for racism & s-xism on top of age discrimination.” She never came into the office or customer site when everyone was told to do so back in 2009 -2015. She stayed at home taking care of her mother, her boys, making random Zoom appearances when necessary. She travelled w/IBM all over Europe & India. She took time off constantly (her FB & IG accounts looked like she was retired). And last year when her boss left & a white man got the job, she retained an atty, filed a letter w/the EEOC claiming racism bc she didn't get the job. She was never there but wanted a job she knew nothing about & was totally unqualified to do. What did IBM do w/just the mere threat of a lawsuit? They promoted her & gave her a 13% increase in salary. It literally PAYS to be part of a protected class.

IBM, the business world implores you, release the demographics of your layoffs from the 1970-2025. And Congratulations Arvind Krishna for your recent 23% increase in 2025 pay to $25M. Meanwhile stellar, high performing employees you & Ginni Rometty laid off (Dinobabies & a dated maternal workforce as Ginni called them) are working the graveyard shift at supermarkets, so they can feed their families & put their kids through college. Sc--w you both. Thomas Watson is spinning in his grave. One can only hope grand karma kicks in one day.

Layoffs #Demographics #PersonnelFile


BNY Mellon: Where the Future Is Offshored, the Present Is Gaslit, and the Past Is Being PIP’d Out of Existence

Welcome to BNY Mellon, the corporate funhouse where the future is offshored, the present is gaslit, and the past has been quietly escorted out under a PIP engineered by someone who couldn’t explain your job if their bonus depended on it. If you’ve ever wanted to experience a workplace that feels like a psychological thriller written by a committee of auditors with no moral compass, congratulations—you’re already included.

Let’s begin with the crown jewel: the 1.4‑million‑square‑foot Pune facility, a gleaming monument to cost‑cutting and the executive fantasy that geography equals talent. Walk inside and you’ll hear it—the cha‑ching of budget wins echoing like a slot machine that only pays out when a U.S. employee vanishes from the payroll.
Real estate consolidation? Cha‑ching. Offshoring? Cha‑ching. RTO badge‑tracking designed to catch you missing a swipe? Cha‑ching. Eliminating work from home so you can sit in a ghost‑town office lit by flickering fluorescent lights? Cha‑ching.

Meanwhile, in the U.S., seasoned employees are being funneled into the Performance Improvement Program Funhouse—a place where your accomplishments are reinterpreted as “concerning behaviors,” your loyalty becomes “inflexibility,” and your manager suddenly develops selective amnesia about every positive review you’ve ever received. We are told it's business, not personal; it’s “People Optimization.” Or, as everyone else calls it: age discrimination with a corporate mission statement.

Your replacement? Already hired. They’re either a contractor, an H1B, or a freshly minted state college grad whose primary qualification is generating tax incentives. Nothing screams “strategic workforce planning” like swapping a 25‑year veteran for someone new who still puts “proficient in Outlook” on their résumé.

And then there’s leadership—RV and Dermie—delivering explanations so vague they might as well be fortune‑cookie messages. “Secular headwinds.” “Strategic acceleration.” “Industry realignment.” These phrases translate directly to: We cut people because it was cheaper, and we hope you’re too demoralized to question it.
They’re corporate illusionists, pulling rabbits out of hats while quietly sawing the workforce in half, all while congratulating themselves for their “courageous leadership.”
But the real horror isn’t the layoffs—it’s the cultural decay and phony empathy. Not a dramatic collapse, but a daily drip of rot. Policies drafted by people who have never met an employee. Decisions that feel like they were generated by a malfunctioning ethics simulator. And the atmosphere? Imagine a place where hope goes to file a ticket with HR and never returns. You are told to recharge, yet you quickly realize your battery no longer holds a charge.

Employees describe it as a slow‑motion freefall: one day you’re standing on a cliff, the next you’re knee‑deep in gravel wondering when the ground gave out. Every new policy feels like it was written by someone who only vaguely understands what the company does. Every leadership message arrives wrapped in jargon, dipped in legal review, and delivered with the emotional warmth of The Grinch who has no integrity and has lost their soul.

And if you’re wondering where ethical concerns go—well, they don’t go to RV. They simply vanish into corporate legal and a maze of executives who nod solemnly while approving fake performance reviews to support a visa‑driven displacement model. There’s evidence everywhere for those willing to look, but the official stance remains a polished shrug.

The downstream effects are already here: institutional knowledge evaporating, teams hollowing out, and the remaining employees expected to train their replacements while pretending everything is “energizing.” Engagement surveys now function mostly as a cry‑for‑help collection system.

But don’t worry—leadership wants you to feel valued. So check under your seat. If you’re lucky, you might find a BNY keychain in a swag bag. A small token of appreciation for your loyalty, your decades of service, and your willingness to participate in the grand experiment of replacing experience with cost efficiency.

In the end, BNY’s transformation story is simple:
Cut enough people, hide enough truth, and eventually even the spreadsheets start believing the fairy tale.

Happy New Year! Enjoy the feeling while it lasts.


Man it was sad reading all the Farewell emails today

I have to say I was quite affected by all of the farewell emails that came in today.

I feel bad for the long-term employees who now have to look for a new job and will certainly face ageism.

I feel bad for the impacted who don't live in a major job market. That will be an uphill battle to find a comparable corporate job.

But I feel especially bad for a couple of peers that were with VZ for less than a year. One was a contractor and was very excited to land a VZ full-time offer. His kid had major medical issues, so he was finally happy to have good benefits.

The other was a guy recently divorced supporting 3 kids. He was also a contractor that went perm. Both are in their late 50s so will have a tough time finding new full-time work.

I know this is the downside of choosing corporate life, but it still really stings. And I would be naïve to think that I'll be safe much longer.


Most of older group of 8 of 18 RFEs (cell site designers (macro and SMC) in CARTN (part of GNT) riffed. Make network better?

The older workers pdf clearly showed a bias in laying off the older population of RFEs. A couple of very recent RFE hires were included in with the riffed group (to mask the age discrimination?). Were RFEs in other regions affected similarly?

Also, the CARTN RFE team already has approx. 20 contractors (not touched) supporting the build plan (entering data in the tools per the RFEs' directions, plus running plots for review by the RFEs). ALL of the 20 or so contractors appear to be from India (Amdocs, with the contractors in TX?). Are the contractors now going to planning the designs of the cell sites? How is the quality of the designs (new builds and modification projects) going to be affected given the relatively short time span contractors are working for VZ (through Amdocs)? Contractors do not have as much skin in the game as fulltime VZ employees, and it may take 6 months to a year and a half for poor quality work to show up in the network.

Really short sighted on the part of management.


Ageism 100%

I am 62 with nearly 32 years at Verizon. I was the only person who knew and understood what I did. I planned on another 3 to 5 years of working, but Verizon put me into early retirement. I am not angry with my direct management as they seemed to have been just as surprised I was part of the RIF. I completely believe that HR was given a directive from Dan to first target those 55 and older, then move to others. I only know a few people that are of retirement age who were able to stay. Everyone else in my age group got the boot without direct managements input. I am fortunate enough to have planned for an early retirement so I won’t be looking for a new job, but I feel for my colleagues that must continue working. Hans made horrible decisions and now Dan wants to come in and “fix” the problems.. Dan was/is on the Board of Directors and would have approved what Hans did .. personally I think the entire Board should be fired. Verizon was good to me for many years until Hans became CEO and things started going downhill. Best of luck to all of you and hope you have fulfilled futures


I miss the great effort and teams we built just 5 short years ago.....

Before, we were one team. Its true. When the rubber hits the road, just about everyone was concerned about pitching in and making the bank better.
When I was laid off, I can share, some of my coworkers reached out. They were concerned. It was touching. Seriously. Some I'd known for many years. And they are the ones I miss the most. I miss being in the midst of solving problems, fixing things, and making the bank more efficient. Frankly, many times I was working against the BS administrative overhead that was put in front of me. I was blessed with managers who cared, knew my name, and valued my work. The new regime? NO. They don't care. They don't know. They brought their buddies from Citi, JPM, (you fill in the blank). None of them care, and they never will. So, my personal feelings remain. I miss what we were building just 5 years ago. I miss my peers over the past decade. I miss giving value to an employer who, until recently, valued my skills.
I'm older and have excellent background and skills. And before anyone says, YEAH BUT I GUESS NOT! since I was laid off.....LOL you have no clue. Layoffs are not based on skill, longevity (ok that one maybe) and this board is full of stories with institutional knowledge holders being let go. Wells Fargo is simply getting rid of EVERYONE that is older, knowledgeable about the bank's systems....and hiring 20-25 year old's from other countries who have faked their education. Does it matter? NO. Because I, like others held hands and tried to teach them. Then I was discarded. Wells Fargo is not an American company any longer. Most of the major banks aren't either. They are multinationals who's only goal is to MAKE MONEY at whatever cost. Do I feel bad? You bet. Wells Fargo was part of a bank that got its start as Norwest Bank and First Union. These were good banks. They grew based on their service. Community involvement. Local employment. All that is gone now. I mourn the loss of what was once a great American institution.


Mostly older employees affected

Has anybody else noticed this? Not all, I know a few recent hires who were also laid off, but most of the people I know who were shown the door are at best in their late 40s and mostly in their 50s and above. I'm not surprised if the goal is to get rid of higher earners, but it does make me question the legality of it all.


The main target

I keep hearing rumors that the cuts hit older workers the hardest, and I’m trying to figure out whether that’s actually happening or if it’s just what I saw in my own circle. If you know someone who was part of the layoffs, a rough age range would help paint a clearer picture.


How companies actually hide age discrimination

They almost never say the quiet part out loud. They build a “paper trail” that makes it look like performance… even when the numbers don’t line up.

Common plays:

Inflate quotas to levels nobody in the territory has ever hit.

Move accounts or shrink territory potential, then blame you for lower output.

Suddenly start documenting “issues” after years of no issues.

Switch you from retention-heavy to acquisition-heavy segments with no rationale.

Push older reps into PIPs, even when metrics are objectively normal for the segment.

Put you under a manager who’s “resetting the team culture” code for turnover.

Replace you quietly with someone 20 years younger at half the comp.

On paper it’s “performance.” In reality it’s engineered.