#ageism

I didn't do this, I don't think a person could win, but if someone thought it was their race, age or whatever you can think of, and gets riffed -- yet people are left working and they didn't get cut. just in general thinking they are targeted or whatever.
I thought about it, but I needed that money.

Bill

“Laid” off as part of a small wave of layoffs has n 2025.
Usual pattern:
layoff 20 +/- employees to avoid WARN notice requirements.
80% of employees “laid off” are over 40
Require employees to sign Separation and Release agreement to receive pay for accrued vacation and a not so generous severance of 2 weeks thus avoiding EEOC reporting.
Wait for review period of separation and release to expire.
Advertise same position and hire a younger employee to fill position.
Rinse and repeat.

Those who are looking at the age issue with a class action, is there any room for the stealing of our PTO?

Clorox is laying off; they are being careful to keep under 50 so they don't have to announce it to the public. It's done quietly a few here and there throughout the month (some this week, others next week, etc.). It's unfortunate that it's mostly the over 50 and long tenure that are being affective.

Which one is the most important factor in layoff, is it age or salary.

Two guys with same work function - one is 60, the other is 25.
The 60 year old guy earn less than 25 year old guy.

OWBPA requirements (EEOC):
https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/age-discrimination-older-workers-benefit-protection-act

OWBPA explanation (U.S. Department of Labor):
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/oasam/centers-offices/human-resources-center/owbpa-guide

I don't remember getting any of this sort of information when I was laid off a few years ago. Anyone else?

I sometimes wonder how someone who is 81, and serves a 79 year old President can tolerate the dismissal of dedicated staff simply because the workers enter their sixties?

If you are 45+ old then they start finding ways to lay you off. Ageism is playing huge role in job market right now with recruiters asking questions like which year did you finish your education, indirectly gauging your age and not moving forward. Its depressing. Valuing experience over youth.

From what you've seen, do you think older employees were targeted unfairly when they chose who to lay off?

I guess they see me as having one foot in the grave already.

I am pretty sure they will disclose age numbers as it's legally required.

I wanted to see if we can poll folks that were let go and how many years of experience with Verizon they had and how old are they.

I'll start, I am 55 and I've been with Verizon for about 13 years, FinOps.

25 years. Vbg. Original MCI employee. 64 years old. Can’t help but see it’s my age. Seems I’m the only one on my team. Oh well. Off date 2/20/26. So much for being a loyal employee.

Or if you know somebody who's affected, post their age, please. I want to see if my suspicions are correct.

It looks like if you are over 40 you have 21 days to consider your layoff package and if it is part of a mass layoff you have 45 days.

https://www.eeoc.gov/history/older-workers-benefit-protection-act-1990

In a conversation with a colleague in September she was talking about performance reviews for January 2026. This person is not a manager. We were talking about the forced distribution of poor performance reviews. She relayed to me that mine would be Inconsistently Meets. My review is due in January 2026

Seems odd that that year I turned 65 my performance rating went down from my past 21 years of employment. My work ethic has not changed. I have added to my skill set. I’ve taken on more responsibility.

I was laid off this time last year. I was with Dell in various sales roles for 20 years right out of college. I became an adult and professional with Dell. What I’m learning is my Dell skill set isn’t seen as that well trained or valuable to many other companies. Maybe it’s a bit of age discrimination as well, but surely being early 40s doesn’t mean I’m already retired from any tech job does it? I don’t know. I’ve been doing gig work to survive, but I used to have a real career, decent pay, benefits, savings, retirement, travel, dignity… feels like I’m worse than back to square one now. I feel like I’m going to lose everything I’ve spent two decades building in my life because I can’t find another job like what I had at the only job I’ve ever really known. I used to be the guy that had enough to help friends when they were hitting rough patches, now I’m the one always asking for favors. Sorry, just having a panic attack in the middle of the night because of all of this. I’ve applied to hundreds of places, even outside of tech in other sales fields, and I feel like I do great in the multiple rounds of interviews, just to get rejected or even worse, absolute crickets. I can’t go entry level in another totally different field because I’m either seen as too old to be an apprentice, or too over qualified (they feel) for an entry level thing. So how do I start over then?! I also have other friends and former coworkers that have been recently laid off, so now I feel like I’m competing with them for a role. It’s all so frustrating and frankly scary. Make it make sense. I just want to work again.

If you get sick or a family member gets sick you will be moved to the top of the layoff list.

HIPPA protects your medical history but not your medical/insurance costs. The company has access to that data and will use it to prioritize people for layoffs.

If you get old, your insurance costs will go up, and you will be selected for a layoff.

Don't get sick or get old.

Does age and tenure have anything to do with who gets picked for lay off. Wouldn't company have to pay more in severance if they let go someone with 25 years with the company as oppose to 6 years? So last in first out would save them more money?

Two teammates we lost are both in their 50s. It could just be a coincidence, of course, but I have to say it wouldn't surprise me.

Laid off in Canada at 56. This blows.
Going through LinkedIn, it looks like there were a lot of us “of a certain age” that were let go.

Do I have a target on my back ?

L3Harris is laying off elderly and remote employees, giving them cash payment to not pursue a law suit.

Out with the old in with the new?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/careersandeducation/ibm-s-ceo-admits-gen-z-s-hiring-nightmare-is-real-but-after-promising-to-hire-more-grads-he-s-laying-off-thousands-of-workers/ar-AA1PRWW6?ocid=BingNewsSerp

I haven’t been here very long, but have had nothing but issues since I started here. The ageism, cronyism, favoritism, nepotism, s-xism is off the charts. Sprinkle in widespread ineffective management who do not give a sh-t about developing out your career if they view you as a challenge…yep, this is corporate he-l. Suggestion for survival is to completely disconnect your identity from what you do here, if you haven’t already. Good luck.

I am old. I have worked at Micron for 25 years as an engineer and i am american. They never let me go. I badge in and badge out. i think its bad workers who get let go and use age as an excuse

Ok the pip plan was to improve me so me could stay supposedly. At my pip meeting last week I was told I was failing and I could take the PIL for one month that is left. I asked if I worked real hard and tried could I pass. I was told there was no way I could recover and pass. All my coworkers have distanced themselves from me and I am an outcast. My end date is at the end of November so I guess this is the end. There reasons for me not passing were insignificant and meaningless. My manager is a coward and only told me I was failing at the end. I told them I thought pip was supposed to help you improve and stay. I am being forced out and isolated. The manager told me why would you want to stay where are not wanted or liked. They want me to quit and sign a separation resignation letter. I told them no. I am ready to go and will start looking for a new job in 2026. It is evil the way the piped me at 50 years of age so I cannot get my retirement. I believe I can get my lump sum but it is heavily discounted.I was 5 years away from retirement but now have to look for a new job. Be careful they are heavily targeting 50 year olds. I and another 51 year old are being forced out this year. My pip was impossible to pass.

I was surplused and last day on payroll is 11/6. In the packet, they provide an age discrimination sheet that shows the age of everyone in my organization with the same title. I am, in fact, the oldest.
I am over 50 & located in Dallas. I am a single parent so I need the severance money but I am curious if anyone else filed a lawsuit instead. Was it worth it?

Does anyone know, or has anyone heard, if the recent layoffs mainly involve employees over 40 and / or 50?

What is the benefit for folks who were laid off and are over age 40?

So we got all our severance agreement emails. But a friend got a strange attachment sent along with theirs. It’s a list of job titles, ages, and two other columns saying “selected for layoff” and “not selected for layoff”. It has no names or location. So for example it says “Med Asst Lead” and then an age next to it (ex: 25) and then an x under the “selected” or “not selected” for layoff column… It looks like it was an accident and shouldn’t have been sent to them. But I find it very strange that they included the age but no name or location

Who notices how often this company does stealth layoffs around holidays? They just let a handful of older engineers go.

I am not acusing target of Age Discrimination but want to see what other folks think about this. Based on what we know so far, do you think that age played any role in the layoff selection process? My group was completely spared but being 59 this is one of the things I've been thinking about recently. I believe that age is a category that needs to be reported when mass layoffs are taking place, hopefuly we'll share numbers too. In the meantime, please chime in if you have any info or personal observations.

Ok here are the facts and if you don't care then leave when the push you out. The medical alone is worth 22 to 25k per year exxon's part. The loss of lump sum at 50 years of age is 50 %. So lets say 500k for a 20 year service. So the medical would be 375k for 15 years coverage plus 500k equals 875k$ loss. For those with 30 or 40 years it would be much more of a loss. Those who were piped or nsied at 50 and 51 lost the most and should have consulted a lawyer. I don't know any employees separated during nre ages. At 55 you get medical and 75% of your lump sum. It goes up from there until 60 when you are at full retirement 100%. So now you know the truth about why you beloved supervisor or manager keeps asking when you will leave. There is definitely an increased pressure to get rid of older employees in comparison to years past. I and many others are being forced out and you will too youngsters. Beware the warnings and wisdom of the ones who have lived through this before.

My AVP team just hired from the outside a month ago and just surplused two others (without performance or attendance issues) -- both in Dallas.
Yes... both surplused employees over 50.

Make it make sense!

Fake data generated to show productivity gain from AI to justify layoff of old staff and hiring of low cost new staff . Long way to go before AI is proven reliable

Has anyone noticed how the vast majority of the firings this year have been people over 40? Is anyone still in touch with these people? Wondering if any of them have contacted the EEOC.

Been told that many employees 4-5 years from retirement was shown the doors this week. Some employees recently returned from any kind of leave also told they no longer have a job.
CLU, CLR, and the glass tower.

Greedy Calgary big wigs. What a joke!

Is anyone else feeling vibes from their old and newly hired “younger” coworkers suggesting that they should be retiring soon? Yes I was offered VERP but I’m nowhere near retirement age. Now that I am clearly the oldest person in my group, the atmosphere feels off and it's making me uncomfortable. I’m starting to wonder if I made a mistake not taking it