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PTO upon termination or Displacement

As we know, when you’ve been at Wells Fargo for 10 years, you get an additional 40 hours PTO… But they don’t give it to you at the start of the year but rather they spread it out over 12 months. If you’re let go or fired before the end of the year, how much of that 40 hours do you get … that is, would you get whatever is remaining or due to you from the separation date until the end of the year? In other words, do you that 40 hours PTO or only that much of it that has been given to you up to and ending on your separation date?


Stand up and stop this madness

Why are we wven asking how to comply and trying to plan how many hours? PAY ATTENTION!!!! It doesnt matter when they are inconsistent and change the rules on a whim without appropriate consistent documentation and communication. If none of us comply then are they gonna consistently fire all of us? Some of ya'll need to watch A Bug's Life. 😆 There is more of us then them. Get off your knees and take the boot off your necks. Clearly their tracking is off so until they put clear consistent guidance what are you complying with and why? Lets all call in sick or take PTO for a few days. Let it fail and watch how tables turn.


26 Extra Days In Office

Based on the previous goal of 11 days, we needed 132 days in office a year. To hit over 60% we now need 158 days. But, that doesn't include PTO, right? In order to get a month to require 11 days it needs to have 18 eligible days. Based on the maximum number of days each month, you'll need 34 PTO days to get back to 11 per month. Best of luck!


NO MORE UNLIMITED PTO!!!!

Some teams, not everyone is being limited to only 25 days of PTO and SICK combined which is not very nice. Other teams still retain the unlimited PTO policy. The Employee handbook does not talk about this at all and it says it's a "Flexible" policy with no time accrued.

It is very unfair that some Directors are forcing their managers to tell direct contributors that they cannot take more than 25 days off a year.

I have been moved around between a few teams in the last 2 years and in all of them we were capped. My current team is also capped at 25 days.

Anyone else?


Rule of 60 clarification please

Is the “Rule of 60” used to pay out the full year’s PTO (ie, instead of only what’s accrued by separation date) simply age plus years of service greater than or equal to 60? Asking because the “Leaving Citi” document also includes being at least 50 years old and having five years of service in the criteria for Citi retirement health plan eligibility, where the Rule of 60 is first described (ie, someone 45 years old with 15 years of service wouldn’t be eligible). In the section addressing PTO later in the document it only references the Rule of 60 without defining it. So now I’m confused. Can someone from HR please clarify?


Unlimited PTO

Any idea why they advertise “unlimited” paid time off but make it nearly impossible to use it? I came here from a prime, where I had more accrued PTO, which I could actually take, even though it wasn’t labeled “unlimited.” Here, I get much more pushback and scrutiny whenever I try to take time off. Really wish I hadn’t made the move.


Retroactive Policy for RTO

I read on another thread that individuals have up to 30 days to update their RTO days if someone mistakenly missed putting in a WFA/PTO/Sick day. Is that written anywhere? Is this new?

I was let go in 2025 and one of the reasons was that I did this, even if it was inadvertently.

I’m just curious if this is in writing anywhere and when in was put in place. If someone could send me the policy if it is indeed included, it would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you!!


questions for those laid off...

Sorry if this has been answered in a previous post, and I've got a couple of questions that I hope someone can answer.

  1. So we work like normal for the final 90 days, in addition to the standard salary for these last three months, will we get severance on top of it? From what I'm seeing online, some people have said 2 weeks' pay for each year.
  2. What happens to all the PTO that we had planned out for the rest of the year after June 30th? Will we be paid out for those missed days, or should I cancel those and take them between now and June 30th?

Who gets a yes?

Is it only Maurice that gets a yes?

Need to backfill a role? We get no.
Need funding for a broken process? We get no.
Need funding to improve a process or build a client request? We get no.
Want to promote a hard worker? We get no.
Want to give money to a deserving employee? We get no.

Culture? No. WFH? No. PTO parity? No

I guess old Mo is the only one who gets a yes.


No mention of PTO in separation agreement

RIF'd in February and received my separation package this morning. The dates are right and the weeks lump sum is correct but there is no mention how the PTO will be paid out. Falling under the rule of 60, in a conversation with HR a few weeks ago, they confirmed I would get the entire year's pto. How is that paid out and why isn't it in the separation agreement?


Time Card Blocked

Has anyone noticed or heard of your time card being blocked if you’re going to be laid off? I went to go try to cancel a PTO request for later in the summer, but after April 4, my time card is totally black. I cannot make any changes. Other team members see the same thing. We do expect RIF in our department. Any HR or payroll people have any thoughts on this?


Preparing for Q2 layoffs

It is no secret that Bank will have another round of layoffs in Q2, just by everything I’ve been hearing, end of April seems to be the target date.

Reading previous post on what happened back on Jan 28, don’t be in office that day, as you will be escorted out and laptop confiscated. Start taking certification courses NOW, because you won’t have access to Guild to register for more during the 60 day window. If you register now and do get impacted in a few weeks, USAA still has to cover the course(s). Send all your accomplishments, year end reviews and resume to your personal email, redeem all your recognition points because again you won’t have access to do it once they take your laptop.

More importantly, take your PTO, but use the floating holiday and volunteer hours first, as those are not paid out to you. With phase 2 of the “how we work” bank reorg, look to the person to your left and right, very good chance one of them will be impacted in the next 6-8 weeks.


Unused PTOs

I resigned couple of weeks back, and was expecting Cigna to pay for my unused PTOs for this year. Has the policy changed? I know we can’t carryover from one year to the other, but what about the PTOs I accrued till now?

Also does Cigna also take back my profit earned from my stocks along with any unvested stocks?


Run

Wayfair states that it offers a great work-life balance. Sooooo not true. Their training is inadequate. Overseas employees are non-compliant. Shift bids are BS. No matter what you choose, they will give you the schedule pertaining to company needs. So you can forget about being a parent, kids will have to raise themselves! You cannot just use your PTO when needed. You will accrue attendance points for using it for emergencies or same day illness. Metrics change in the middle of the quarter. Employees know how to wrap to manipulate their metrics so it doesn’t pay to do honest work. Religious accommodations are only given to non-American employees. There are plenty of other places to work that will definitely appreciate your dedication and work ethic. Do not give more than your pay grade, they will say thank you and expect for you to keep doing it w/o being paid for it!


Changes Coming to RTO Tracking Tool

The HR IT Team is currently in the process of migrating the RTO Badge Tracking tool from a Tableau report to a full-fledged internal web app.

They are working with Jeff's org CTXO to use Gen AI to do this more rapidly then they'd be capable of doing otherwise.

Once this migration is complete, they will have complete turnstile API access and plan to start showing badge in & badge out times. Currently, managers who have access to the tool can only see whether or not you were in office that day, at home, or took PTO.

These are the facts. My personal speculation, after witnessing how gung-ho this team is about this effort, is that they are going to add a lot more than just time-tracking to the app. I believe that the next thing to go will be the "Half Day PTO" trick that many of us use to have WFH days or manage things like home repairs, doctors appts, etc. Currently, they don't have the access they need from Workday to differentiate between Full Day & Half Day PTO, so they just count it all as In-Office.

I believe that we are in for a very dark year ahead regarding RTO. Leaking this info now so people can plan ahead and stay informed.


Severance or Special Payment Received?

Has anyone from the mid January layoff communication received either Severance payment or Special Payment?

Guessing all of this, as well as PTO payout will all come after term date, but just checking because of the language in the agreement:

" ....will be made as soon as administratively practical following the
execution of this agreement by you, but not later than March 15 of the calendar year
following the execution of this Agreement"


First our PTO, now our ICP?

It’s frustrating watching compensation rules change after the work has already been done.

First PTO changes, and now a policy where employees lose their ICP if they’re not still employed two months after the fiscal year ends — even if they worked and delivered results the entire year.

That also means someone could work all year, meet their goals, and still lose the compensation they earned if they’re laid off before that two-month mark.

Performance pay should reward performance, not employment timing. What an awful company this has become.


first pto now our icp, guessing no severance when they lay us off

First they took our PTO without any compensation. Now they are going to lay us off and not have to pay any ICP if they do it prior to two months after the fiscal year. So you work the entire year and 1 month and 29 days after and they "by law" do not have to pay your icp. What a terrible company this has become to work for. No wonder our competitors are eating our lunch. Who is making these decisions to just sc--w the employees?